The absence of clutter is just a clutter-free product. That’s not simple.
My stock answer is to point out that I’m a climber, and that Everest isn’t a climb, but a walk. This usually gets the person at the other end a bit confused and flustered as they check their notes. “Yes” I usually continue “If you have to step over a dead body half way up then it’s classed as walk. On real climbs the bodies fall to the bottom”.
Let’s have a moment of silence for all those who are stuck in traffic on their way to the gym to ride stationary bicycles.
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